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We need to identify radiation detection and mitigation equipment which can be used in through the Japan Resilience System in the Japan Health Capacity Zones.  Here are some of my initial thoughts on this.

Radiation detectors.  A mixture of my thoughts and leads here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter
Illustrations show something which may be a bit bulky.
Text talks about the kind of radiation detected.

There is a mind boggling collection of types of detectors, so we need to nail down which are needed for current reality in Japan.

quoting from Wikipedia

The Geiger–Müller tube is one form of a class of radiation detectors called gaseous detectors or simply gas detectors. Although useful, cheap and robust, a counter using a GM tube can only detect the presence and intensity of radiation (particle frequency, as opposed to energy). Gas detectors with the ability to both detect radiation and determine particle energy levels (due to their construction, test gas, and associated electronics) are called proportional counters. Some proportional counters can detect the position and or angle of the incident radiation as well. Other devices detecting radiation include:

The Geiger-Müller counter has applications in the fields of nuclear physics, geophysics (mining), and medical therapy with isotopes and x-rays. Some of the proportional counters have many electrodes and are called multi-wire proportional counters or simply MWPCs. Radiation detectors have also been used extensively in nuclear physics, medicine, particle physics, astronomy, and in industry.

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It is my understanding that people who work in radiation professions, such as medicine ... operate X ray machines for example ... there is some kind of badge they wear, which measures exposure, changes color when too much, so immediately obvious the wearer needs medical attention.

However, there are different kinds of radiation.  It may be that some badges are only looking for what might be considered reasonable, based on the employment focus.  There are probably organizations which can best guide one on what is needed in Japan.  But some of them will be a bit overwhelmed right now.

DoD = Department of Defense (think US Navy ships with nuclear power plants)
HazMat
IAEA = International Atomic Energy Agency

JAEA = Japan Atomic Energy Agency

NEWS = Nuclear Event Web Based System[1] jointly managed by The International Atomic Energy Agency, the OECD Nuclear Energy Agency and the World Association of Nuclear Operators.

NISA = Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency

NRC = US Nuclear Regulatory Commission

News releases are available through a free listserv subscription at the following Web address:

http://www.nrc.gov/public-involve/listserver.html. The NRC homepage at www.nrc.gov also offers a SUBSCRIBE link. E-mail notifications are sent to subscribers when news releases are posted to NRC's website.

NRC NEWS

U.S. NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

Office of Public Affairs Telephone: 301/415-8200

Washington, D.C. 20555-0001

E-mail: ***@***.*** Site: www.nrc.gov

Blog: http://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov

It has sent experts to help Japan.[1]

UNSCEAR = United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR)

A quick google search locates some outfits which sell such stuff.  What we may need are places which manufacture the products, can tool up to higher volumes than normal production, and give priority to deliver to outfits needing them in Japan. 

Also see wikipedia search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=Radiation+detectors&sourceid=Mozilla-search

Also, there will be a need to get certification that the devices are good quality.  There have been a number of scandals with devices sold to protect the public, to protect infrastructure, to detect terrorism threats, etc. which turned out to be totally fraudulent.  I will have to give some thought where to find such reviews, since this is probably not what we would find in Consumer Reports, or the general computer publications which compare competing technology products.  While there are probably Trade magazines for this industry, in my experience trade publications any industry info on individual companies is often PR, not comparative analysis.

http://www.nukalert.com/

Small enough to attach to a key chain.

http://www.nukepills.com/radiation-detector.htm

Wallet sized
I think people would be more comfortable with a BADGE where it can be instantly seen if their exposure is Ok or not.

I also think there may be a need for detectors not worn by people, but placed like sign posts where they read the wind.  You are in a building, at a doorway, and you can read an instrument which tells you what the temperature is outside, what the radiation reading is outside.  This tells you whether you want to put on some better protective clothing before exiting.  Similarly with a vehicle.  Is it safe to exit the vehicle? ... car, train, etc.

http://www.gammascout.com/

Due to the Earthquake/Tsunami disaster and unfolding nuclear crisis in Japan, Gamma Scout is experiencing an extremely high demand for our units and have a huge backlog of orders for our Gamma-Scouts. If you must place an order then please expect to wait MORE THAN 12 weeks for a unit.

This outfit http://www.blackcatsystems.com/science/radiation.html
talks about how to make your own.

Perhaps there are kits available from places like Radio Shack.

This looks way more sophisticated than current need.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_detector

As you know, I am a geek who is not a professional in many areas, but I am a quick study.
During my career (I am now age 67), computer users often came to me with problems where they had some notion what going on, and instead of describing symptoms, error messages, what they trying to accomplish, they'd typically describe the problem within the context of their notion, often wrong.  So I became accustomed to studying all sorts of data to figure out what the heck is going on, what the business needs to accomplish, what is in fact wrong (training issue, documentation flawed, data corrupted, we need another program, whatever), and how best to resolve.  This means I am fairly good at delving into territory previously unknown to me, then trying to make sense of it in an unbiased manner.

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Here is cut & paste from some of my research notes from a few days ago, perhaps relevant to this topic.

Radiation Scam (1 Mar 17)

In recent days a map has circulated the internet, purporting to predict high doses to the Western U.S.  This map bears the seal of the Australian Radiation Service, which did not produce it. The map has been refuted by the U.S. NRC, and experts state that it more closely resembles predictions for doses after deployment of a nuclear weapon than those for a situation such as that unfolding at present.[1]

Radiation Dose Clarifying (1 Mar 17)

We are told that this or that dose is less that we would get at a doctor office.  I sought radiation intensities associated with various ordinary incidents other than what’s going on in Japan, to put that in perspective.  This is on page 4 of a Radiation PDF which I have downloaded, and can send along to people.  Lots of graphics there, so I not adding here.    However something very similar at end of this sub-section “chapter.”

I learn that we are hampered because

  • Some science measurement symbols not on our keyboards, nor easily get at, but maybe we can copy-paste them with explanation here.
  • M = mili-meter (why not use MM?),
  • M = micro-meter (this “science” system is overdue to fix), and
  • M = meter

I am seeing radiation intensities in stories out of Japan in the following units: (sources)

mSv to 10 uSv/hr (IAEA news)

18,000 cpm to greater than 100,000 cpm (testing evacuated residents in NISA report)

A reading up to 1,204.2μSv was recorded in what got vented. (briefing by Japan government)

According to http://mitnse.com/

Normally nuclear workers are allowed to receive a dose of 20 millisieverts per year, although in practice they often receive very much less. If that limit is exceeded in any year, the worker cannot undertake nuclear duties for the remainder.

In emergency circumstances safety regulators allow workers to receive up to 100 millisieverts with the same conditions applying, that they must leave the site should that limit be reached. The 100 millisievert level is roughly the point at which health effects from radiation become more likely. Under a special allowance from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA), workers at Fukushima were permitted doses of up to 250 millisieverts.

Health effects vary depending on size of dose at one time, what element isotopes involved. 

note: 1 Rem = 1000 millirem; 1Sv = 1000 millisievert

Cumulative Dose = Dose Rate x Time Exposed

Page left intentionally blank before following charts, so all of it on same page.
 

Source
of Radiation

Dose in millirem (mrem) or
Dose Rate (mrem/hr)

Dose in milliSv (mSv) or
Dose Rate (mSv/hr)

Background
(average in U.S.)

~360
millirem per year (1 millirem per day)

3.6
milliSievert

Chest
X-ray

~8
millirem per X-ray

.08
milliSievert

CT
scan of abdomen

~800
millirem

8
milliSievert

A
cross country flight in the U.S.

2-5
millirem

0.02
- 0.05 milliSievert

Regulatory
limit for radiation workers

5000
millirem per year

50
milliSievert

 

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Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN is currently using an Aloka personal dosimeter ADM-112.  Aloka has an office in Connecticut.  This could be a source.

Photo of Dr. Gupta's dosimeter
http://twitpic.com/49peyn

Aloka ADM-112
http://www2.aloka.co.jp/products/data/radiation-003-ADM-112

List of Aloka offices outside Japan
http://www2.aloka.co.jp/outline/overseas.html 

Source: Facebook post from Patrick Picotin

There are many knock offs made in china, Malaysia, and etc. You have no assurances that they even have anything inside of them. We sell the the real thing from manufacturer in USA. These were developed by USA Government and USA ...government has the patent. Do not buy knock offs. Worldecostore.com could have bought knock offs from china and Malaysia but we care about people and reputation. We are dealer to manufacturer that was originally government owned and developed radiation detectors. We will be shipping to Japan large quantities to our Japan office to sell. You can buy the real radiation detectors and no waiting period. We have them in stock. http://worldecostore.ecrater.com/c/1390026/dosimeters-radiation-and-nuclear-monitoring

These units were developed by USA federal government. Do not buy knock offs, you life is on the line. You need immediate response so you can leave immediately from the areas. If you buy the pocket dosimeter then you need to buy the charger so it can put the reader to zero if you get radiation reading. The digital models do not need this charger since they are battery charged. The military model is top of line in world. We make very little profit from selling these to people.

According to Wikipedia, Three Mile Island was a "partial melt down."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident (TMI)

I found this useful link while searching for "nuclear accident radiation detectors."

As I recall that incident, the people in the vicinity were guided in evacuation by authorities, whose statements indicated they had a foggy understanding at best.  The ordinary people did not have radiation detectors, and there was no concurrent disaster where NGOs needed such access.

What we have seen so far, Japan does not have the foggy understanding problem, rather they have design problems which did not allow for a concurrent disaster from earthquake and tsunami, which is complicating delivery of essentials.

Japan is figuring out what happened, and communicating it to the world, as rapidly as they can.

TMI's own people did not know what the heck was happening, did not come clean with US authorities what they did know.  The accident was avoidable, the company involved had been warned of certain risks which needed to be fixed.  There was poor follow-up of quality control to confirm the leadership did anything more than just talk about it.  We saw the same corporate foggy attitude from the hearings into the causes of the Gulf Oil Spill.  Risks were identified, where there was lack of follow up to make sure they were mitigated.

TMI had release of radiation, up to 481 PBq (13 million curies) of radioactive gases, and less than 740 GBq (20 curies) of the particularly dangerous iodine-131.

Public reaction to TMI was heavily impacted by the movie The China Syndrome.

Public reaction to Japan has been heavily impacted by The American Syndrome, a pattern of news media coverage, which instead of communicating truth, communicates worst case fears.

Alister Wm Macintyre

I had speculated that radiation detectors, designed for one kind of radiation, might not be effective in a different scenario.

  • Current reality is a nuclear power plant accident.
  • There's threat of a dirty bomb
  • There's radiation used in medicine

Wikipedia says:

Nuclear power provides approximately 15.7% of the world's electricity (in 2004) and is used to propel aircraft carriers, icebreakers and submarines

We have seen with my earlier posts that in fact there have been nuclear accidents with naval vessels

There's radiation detectors used in oil and gas exploration, and other applications.

Radiation is used in food purification, protecting snail mail from anthrax.

X-rays in airport and other security.

Medical

Medical and dental x-ray imagers use of Cobalt-60 or other x-ray sources. Technetium-99m is used, attached to organic molecules, as radioactive tracer in the human body, before being excreted by the kidneys. Positron emitting nucleotides are used for high resolution, short time span imaging in applications known as Positron emission tomography..

I have not seen any of these element isotopes mentioned in the news out of Japan (see my nuclear notes and nuclear time line), so it could be that different kinds of detection systems needed for medical vs. current reality.

Alister Wm Macintyre

While reviewing info about Narita International Airport in Tokyo http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/ for a Logistics post, I was again reminded that Japan already supplies its people, and visitors to its nation, with radiation monitoring information all over the nation for all types of situations, and has sites info available in English.  NGOs visiting Japan should do like the general Japanese public does, and check the official announcements.

Alister Wm Macintyre

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